How do you explain to clients that "zero-premium" doesn't mean "zero-cost" with Medicare Advantage?
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Benefits vary from plan to plan. Often times you may have a $0 copay with an in-network primary care physician, for example. There is usually cost sharing for out-patient surgeries, hospitalization, major diagnostic tests as well as other services. Cost sharing can be a set dollar amount or a percentage of the cost.
Sometimes people hear what they want to hear. I cant tell you how many times I've told people something about a plan and then they repeat back what they thought they heard or what they really wanted it to be and I have to say "no that is not what I said". Words have meanings. Zero Premium means just that, no premium. I tell people that MAPD plans are co-pay driven, meaning you have co-pays as you use the plan. There is a max out of pocket, etc. People hear what they want to hear. I have to do my best to make sure that does not happen.
Explaining the zero premium means stating that you pay for the health plan through co-payments and deductibles. If hospitalized, consider the hospital stay's co-pays and meeting the MOOP. Office visits, outpatient services, and emergency room visits.
A "zero premium" means that you will pay $0 per month for your Advantage plan. But, there will be co-pays and co-insurance if you use medical services. Advantage plans have a MOOP (maximum-out-of-pocket) ceiling on their plans. Each Advantage plan has different a MOOP.
So the word premium refers to how much the plan will cost you every month. Generally they are zero or no premium plans but there are some that will cost anywhere from $33-100. This is the cost to subscribe in the plan.
Zero cost can refer to the plan premium but some people get that confused with the plan copays when you use the plan for doctor visits. If someone uses the term zero cost I would clarify if they are talking about the cost to be on the plan or the copays when you use the plan.
Tell them that the cost of the plan is zero, but you still have copays. Tell them it takes care of the part A deductible, and 20% of part B, but it comes in forms of copays. Tell them it's privatized insurance.
The "cost" associated with a Medicare Advantage plan can come from the premium, copays, and coinsurance. It is important to understand the risk of cost and how they are similar and different from one Medicare Advantage plan to the next as they can very significantly.
My Daddy use to say, "Son, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch." This is the case with the zero dollar premium Medicare Advantage(MAPD.) In order to enroll in a MAPD, you have to be enrolled in Medicare A AND B, so you still have to pay your Part B premium.
The Zero Premium does not mean "zero cost." MAPD plans are a "Pay as you go" plan. Depending on what plan you enroll in you may have co pays for Doctor visits, Specialist, and Hospital stays.
Zero Premium is the cost you pay for the plan unless you have a penalty related for not carrying a prescription drug plan. I do not define a plan as zero cost since that could not be the case.
This is a great question and one that I carefully walk through to explain to my current and prospective clients. Medicare Advantage plans MAY or MAY not have a premium and I always start with that foundation after I explain how the Medicare Part B premium works.
If the plan has a premium of any amount ranging from $0 premium to anything beyond $0, it is almost certain that many costs will have copayments or sometimes other coinsurance. The most common examples might be a specialist copay or a hospital admission copay.
There are some common "zero cost" items and those most commonly include (1) seeing your primary care physician for services, and (2) preventive care services.
I always take a very consultative approach so that the consumer has a really good understanding of how the plan works and this avoids any surprises.
This question has more to do with your educational background than a full comprehension of Medicare. There can be a variety of premiums that are an integral part of a healthcare system. In effect, a premium is usually a monthly payment for a service provided. It can be a payment for a Medicare Supplement, or one for the Part D(rug) plan or one for a Hospital Indemnity plan. But “costs” are another entity. A cost could be a true “copay” at the pharmacy for an Rx prescribed by your doctor or a fee for a laboratory who will draw your blood based on an upcoming appointment with the doctor. So, costs are “indeterminate”, depending on any health checks/issues while premiums are definite costs that are common in the Medicare system.
This can be complicated and difficult to understand for some people. I look at it two ways to try to make it make sense…
1. Just because YOU are not paying a premium, doesn’t mean a premium is not being paid by someone else. For $0 Premium Medicare Advantage plans, the ‘premium’ is being paid by the US Government. They don’t call it a premium, though. When you choose a Medicare Advantage plan, Medicare is no longer responsible for paying your claims. Instead, the insurance company that you chose for your Medicare Advantage insurance plan is responsible for paying your claims, according to your policy provisions and in accordance with Medicare guidelines. This frees up money in the Medicare system that the US Government uses to pay the insurance company offering the Medicare advantage plan. There is definitely a cost.
2. You may not be paying a premium, but you will pay for the services that you receive according to your plan’s contract. Depending on the plan, you will be responsible for copayments, deductibles and coinsurance, up to the plan’s maximum out-of-pocket provision. The maximum out-of-pocket requirement on your plan is an important number for you to know. That is the point within the plan year when you’ve paid the maximum amount that you are required to pay, and your insurance company will pay the rest for the remainder of the year. In Pennsylvania, this maximum can range from $4000-$9000 per person per year, depending on the plan. So even if you are not paying a premium, there will be a cost to receive medical care.
Before you buy a plan, it is important that you understand what you are buying and how it works. Please reach out to a professional Medicare insurance agent for assistance so that there are no surprises at the time of a claim.
I go over every aspect of the coverage & explain EXACTLY how Medicare Advantage works & the fact that MD Anderson & Mayo usually does not accept these type plans. I would rather them know every detail before hand because I want clients in my office to hug my neck NOT ring it!!!
Quite simply, premiums and costs are two different things. A premium is something you pay, usually on a monthly basis, in order to have a Medicare Advantage plan. A cost is something you pay once you have established yourself as a member in a Medicare Advantage plan and obtain some type of service. If you need any more help on your specific situation don't hesitate to call me directly at 239-848-8893.
It's simple most people will pay the Part B Premium right out of their Social Security or receive a quarterly bill for $185.00. When reviewing a plan there are many copayments, deductibles, and coinsurances within the plan. IT must be reviewed in it's entirety!!
A zero-premium Medicare Advantage plan means there's no monthly fee for the plan itself, but it's not necessarily "free" overall. You'll still have to pay your Medicare Part B premium, and you may also have out-of-pocket costs for services, medications, or other plan-specific expenses.
Most Medicare Advantage plans do not have a monthly premium, but DO have copays for Medicare services. I tell people that Original Medicare is more of a "pre-pay" system, where Advantage plans are a "pay as you go" model.
Federal government funds private companies to assist their members and, depending on the plan, it may have a $0 monthly premium. However it doesn't mean $0 cost, for there are co-pays and deductibles, though limited by an annual Maximum out-of-pocket.
Medicare Advantage plans different by carrier. "zero-premium" simply means that the carrier does not charge a premium for the coverage. There may be some benefits that also have zero cost share while other benefits can have co-pays and co-insurance until the maximum out of pocket limit has been reached.
Zero Premium needs to say Zero MONTHLY Premium. Zero cost with a Medicare Advantage Plan is misleading and many clients are concerned about their finances and any word Zero needs to be explained further.
Advantage plans are "managing" your care for their profit. I only sell Supplement plans that allow you to go to any Dr. in the USA USA USA that accepts Original Medicare Part A & B.
I explain to all our clients that a Medicare advantage plan typically has no extra monthly premium beyond their part b premium. However there are some exceptions to that as well. Rather than an extra monthly premium, they will typically have copays with a Medicare Advantage plan. Those copays vary depending on the specific plan they would choose. Whereas with a Medicare supplement plan, they would typically have an extra monthly premium beyond their part b premium. However, with a Medicare supplement plan, they MAY have less out of pocket expenses for copays and doctor visits depending on their use. This is why we always recommend a personalized consultation with a trusted local/agent broker to discuss your specific needs.
A zero-premium Medicare Advantage plan means you do not have to pay a monthly premium for the plan itself.
However, this does not mean you won’t have to pay any other costs.
What You Still May Have to Pay
Copayments or coinsurance for doctor visits, specialist visits, hospital stays, and other services.
Deductibles before coverage starts for some services or drugs.
Costs for services not covered by the plan.
Premium for Medicare Part B, which you must keep paying even if your Medicare Advantage plan has no premium.
Important to Remember
Think of zero-premium as just one piece of the total cost puzzle. While it can help reduce your monthly out-of-pocket spending, you’ll likely still pay when using healthcare services.